Protect Small Honeybee colonies from Robbing and predators Wasp VS Wasp?

Protect Small Honeybee colonies from Robbing and predators Wasp VS Wasp?

okay so here we are on September 4th so it’s very late in the season and what you’re looking at is a box it’s the bottom box of a flow hive and we have a swarm in it very late in the season they’re gonna need every edge we can give them and we’re gonna have to feed these bees one of the things I want you to notice when we’re trying to help out the honey bees is first of all look at this wide entrance this landing board now this hive the bottom board is screened so there’s plenty of ventilation here but we want to give them another edge and that’s giving them a smaller area to defend the culprits of course are robbing bees and the notorious Yellowjackets very simple thing this is regular window screen and I just cut equal lengths of it and tripled it over here and we’re gonna fold it into a little V and just hand push it into this little opening now the flow hive bottom boards do not have the standard size entrance reducer openings they’re a little smaller so we’re just going to loose fit this in there and wasps for example the Yellowjackets can’t pull it out the only thing that’s going to move this would be a mouse or something trying to get in and we’re not worried about that and if it were moved we would know that there’s a mouse around trying to get into our colony here but what we’re trying to cut down on is the amount of effort that they have to put out to defend the colony and of course limit the access zone for the Yellowjackets which sometimes sneaked in on the far edges to either side it’s a small colony the swarm I suspect was about 3 or 4 pounds not huge but not terribly small I think their chances are really good because we’re still going into a pretty strong nectar flow here with the goldenrod the asters they’re getting pollen from a number of sources including sunflowers and this is a simple thing so we’re closing it in without shutting down ventilation we want them to stay cool today is 88 degrees Fahrenheit so now we’ve got about a four inch opening that they can very easily defend and they inspect the beads that are coming in from the field here and this is just a close-up to show you that our guards are doing their job pretty easily notice them grabbing and inspecting every bee that comes in this is a pretty good behavior for a newly captured and hived swarm so I’m pretty pleased with them I had no problems we have Acorn pre-waxed frames inside some have drawn comb if you want to keep your swarm from taking off put a frame of brood in there and they will not leave those developing brood and it gives them a good kick off they’re kind of have their work cut out for them here as we’re gonna run out of resources within the next eight to ten weeks and we’ll talk a little more about the pollen resources in the area but I’m also doing things to other beehives that I have in my apiary and I want to show you some of the landing board and entry differences and what we’re doing about Yellowjackets in the apiary you can hear my chickens in the background here they roam freely through the apiary and they collect bugs all day long and of course this hive is situated in the shade so that’s going to help them out too the blue spruce which is on our right here as we’re looking at the scene is where the swarm congregated and we clipped the branch off and then I put it right on top of the hive this is one of those beesmart design ventilated tops also which vents without allowing other insects to get in like the Yellow Jackets and even the bees can’t come in through the top and now we’re looking at the whole width of the board and the activity is pretty good so it’s good to see them already bringing in pollen which is interesting to me consider they really don’t have any place to put it unless they’re drawing out comb in record time now we’re looking at another standard Langstroth hive this is the landing board and we have not restricted the entrance that’s because there’s an abundance of bees this is an extremely strong colony of bees and they’re more than capable of defending their entrance from the full length of their landing board and there’s something you should notice they are doing deck washing here so if you look at the bees on the leading edge of the landing board they’re all kind of moving forward and going backwards they are licking every inch of the surface of that landing board now to the left you can see that they’re lined up like aircrafts and they’re flapping their wings as much as they can if you could smell it if you were in front of this hive you would notice that it is just heavy with nectar the honey is being dehydrated inside all of the colonies they’re bringing on about 2 to 3 pounds per day and hive numbers are great the health of the bees is fantastic and again you can see the abdomens in the foreground here of those that are doing the deck washing maneuver and you can just listen to it the air movement here is substantial right in front of the hive they really do a fantastic job of ventilating and again this is just a standard Langstroth hive design and notice how big the opening is here where we would normally put an entry reducer and real of course install that later on in the year when their numbers get down in the temperatures drop now we do see some of the drones moving around now we’re at the landing board of the flow hive 2 notice that it has a much smaller entrance we can’t fit standard entry reducers here but also notice that it has an aluminum bottom board cover so it is a ventilated bottom board and we have that plastic tray inside where we can do varroa counts varroa this year are extremely low we’ve not treated I’ve only been able to find one or two four row up per colony so they’re doing a fantastic job of keeping those under control on their own again we’re just showing a nice strong colony they don’t need to have their entrance reduced any more and now we’re looking at another flow hive this is the full size flow hive standard not the flow hive 2- and notice that I did restrict their entrance now we have wooden shims stuck in here and that’s because the bottom board of this colony of this hive is screened so they have plenty of ventilation inside we can pull out the insert and increase ventilation or we can push the insert back in from the back and reduce air circulation as needed so if you may recall if you’ve been watching my other videos these are the colonies that had the new Queen’s installed now this looks like a cast-off box but this is my ongoing experiment in my apiary I’m repurposing old bee boxes that I’ve had and you notice they have the vent holes and this is what I’m culturing in the bee yard this is a paper wasp so I decided early in the year since paper wasps don’t attack or harass the honeybees and I’ve never seen a bee hive being robbed by paper wasps I’ve also seen paper wasps driving off Yellow Jackets so it occurred to me if we install a paper wasp nest intentionally in the apiary then we would displace Yellowjackets and we could use wasps to repel other wasps so the beneficial wasps like these paper wasps wish you a terrific job in pest control are actually being raised by me right here in the apiary and I’m going to show you what their nest looks like here in a second but since they have no impact on the honeybees but do displace Yellowjackets my ongoing experiment is to see if increasing the numbers of paper wasps and providing them with habitat in close proximity to my honeybees would help reduce the numbers of the Yellowjackets and so far that has been working we have Yellowjackets everywhere in the environment this time of year and their numbers are extremely small here in my bee yard so let’s open it up I want you to see what they look like and just like managing bees you just move slowly I’m not smoking them I’m just gonna move slow and deliberate and show you what they’re like here I also want you to notice as they come flying out here listen to how quiet their wings are now they’re actually considering that I’m opening their nest and exposing them they really are not that defensive I am protected with a bee suit I’m wearing a ventilated bee suit because it is so hot today but I’m only wearing surgical gloves and I want to show you this nest they do have capped brood that’s what you see the white cottony looking pieces around the perimeter and there are a couple in the middle of the field here we’ll get you in closer so you can take a look and you can see that summer in the process of hatching we’re coming to the end of their hatching season actually so eventually the last batch that grows here we’ll all be queens and then they will go into the next season after wintering over in solitary locations around the environment so we’re just going to you put them back here again listen to them they don’t sound angry at all they’re very laid-back that doesn’t mean you can’t be stung by them you certainly can this is my experiment that I wanted to share with you and that is that I’m keeping them in the middle of my apiary they have had zero impact on the bees the bees don’t seem to pay attention to them they don’t pay attention to the bees they are not competing with the same they’re not competing for the same resources that the bees do although they do get some nectar they’re mostly pest control they do get some pollen but mostly their protein comes from other insects that they are feeding to they’re developing brood so I think having paper wasps like these in the bee yard is a very interesting method for kind of having a wasp versus wasp situation so that the Yellowjackets don’t have free reign I would never manage Yellowjackets like this they would just boil out and sting you anyone who’s had encounters with Yellowjackets knows that they’re extremely defensive I am within a foot of these guys and they are of course very much on alert but they don’t really consider me personally to be a threat so they didn’t really attack get getting you in closer here get a nice look at them I appreciate your comments down below if you have ever seen paper wasps used to displace Yellowjackets I’d like to know more about that from your personal experiences and I can say that this seems to be working out really well now listen to the difference in wing frequency that’s a yellowjacket flying by me and the paper wants just don’t tolerate it now we also have a large paper wasps nest inside my be shed and I go in and out of it and they don’t pay any attention to me at all I also have them in the eaves on either side of my bee shed again to prevent Yellowjackets from moving in so if I have to have wasps around I would say these paper wasps are at the top of my list for those that are passive towards people yet not passive towards other wasps and species now of course we’re out on the golden rod here and there’s another wasp he is not a great pollinator obviously they don’t have the fur that the bees have there none of those split ends that collect the pollen but this loss is actively getting nectar so not every wasp is a yellowjacket keep that in mind and let me know your thoughts thanks for watching

96 thoughts on “Protect Small Honeybee colonies from Robbing and predators Wasp VS Wasp?

  1. I had mud wasps around my garden once, I was super terrified of them but I swear one time I stepped almost right over their entrance hole and they didn't bother me.
    They'll check you out, and you can hear the warning buzz.. but it must have taken a lot to really get them to sting.
    I'd guess they are pretty chill then. The family still ended up killing them since, you know, we have to mow the lawn.

  2. Hi Frederick! I'd really like to know more about the bees licking entrance… why do they do that?
    It's always amazing and very informative to watch your videos, please keep em coming!

  3. Great video as always, the camera you purchased is doing a fantastic job with focus and picture quality. How is your indoor colony wall beehive doing? You’ve not shown that since you installed it and I’ve kinda wondered how that was doing and if it was flourishing or not? Thanks for sharing all the fantastic info and again Great Work! ?

  4. As paper wasp's do complete with yellow jackets for early season food there is a good chance they do reduce the over all population.

  5. I dont have an issue (so far . knock on wood!) with yellow Jackets, but I have had some of those brown wasps land on honey bee frame while I was inspecting. It grabbed a worker bee and took off with it. This has happened a couple of time. Not sure that they are the same species as your pet wasps, so you may not have that issue.

  6. There i was flicking my remote control to find something worth watching on TV but nothing spiked my intrerest. So i thought i'd have a look on Youtube & lo & behold Fred has uploaded some new content. What a great piece of work too. My favourite channel on Youtube.Great camera work, fantastic narration. Fred, you should have your own TV show. Many thanks as always!

  7. Another excellent video! Thanks for all the wonderful descriptive explanations! I love your symbiotic wasp defense idea!

  8. Excellent post. Ironic because I saw a honey bee and paper wasp fighting below one of my hives today and thought it was odd. Probably the paper wasp in the wrong place at the wrong time. It may have been after another smaller insect but got too close. This video is good science all around. Tip about the screen. I buy 1/8" screen (known as #8 hardware cloth) and staple it across the front entrance. I cut slits in the screen so I can lift sections and adjust the allowable entrance to my preference. They still get the ventilation and I can adjust the entrance by bending flaps down or up. Thank you for this post.

  9. We had a small paper wasp nest up in the eve of the house when we moved in, and they ignored us, since we were far enough away from their nest. I didn't realize it until watching this video that we had no yellow jackets on that side of the house or yard at all, except flying by. On another side of the house some yellow jackets tried to build a nest, and that worried us as we had a terrible yellow jacket problem at another house, in the ground by the front door, so we took to using the back door until we destroyed the underground nest at night. Well, that yellow jacket nest was destroyed, and we never know how, but I think after watching this that maybe the paper wasps did it. I can't think of anything else, since it was there one day, very small, and gone the next. 😀 Yay paper wasps!

  10. Thank you for such an excellent suggestion about simply folding the screen to reduce the entrance. It is by far the simplest way to use screens to help reduce robbing and improve ventilations … no stables, no nails, no additional wooden frames/screens to make.

  11. Interesting. Thanks for taking the time. Leaned something – use screen as an entrance reducer. Doh. Should have thought of that.

  12. Very interesting. Hope the paper wasps continue to keep the yellow jackets away. I like how the paper wasp flings an ant a few times, such as at 11:06

  13. Hey Fred. I love your Idea with the Wasps. I have some living in the small shed that I keep my chicken pellets and supplies in,  and in the chicken coop.  I never bothered them because they never bothered me. I might try what you have done, if for no other reason but to help a fellow Earthling out. They have every right to keep their kind going just like everything else. Good job!

  14. The paper wasp here in California have a lot of yellow and orange on them. It looks like you have a different type there. Also, the paper wasp here is very aggressive and will sting you if you get anywhere near them or their nest. That is a fascinating experiment going on, one I would be too scared to try, but it looks like yours is a success and every little bit helps against the dreaded yellow jackets.

  15. Fascinating concept with the paper wasps. Yellow jackets got one of my hives last year so anything to stop them works for me. How did you get them to nest in the box?

  16. Very interesting eco experiment. Paul Stamets is working on mushroom extract for varroa mite control. Also fungi inoculated rice for termite control. Both patented.

  17. Okay so this is completely random and I don't know much about bees but I'm just curious to know what happens to bee colonies if there is no beekeeper to extract the honey. This may be a stupid question but I don't know anything lol.

  18. I like this idea. basically trying to encourage a beneficial ecosystem rather than killing things off.
    I'm experimenting with open feeding wasps and european hornets with a sour sugar syrup to draw them away from my hives. I've tried traps and honestly the non lethal open feeders seem to reduce robbing more. Its kind of like a protection racket / tax, but I'm ok with that. Feeding wasps or hornets sugar doesnt really boost their nest sizes (that requires protein), just keeps them alive a bit longer til a frost and away from my hives.
    I will watch this experiment with great interest. Shame we dont have paper wasps like that in the UK.

  19. How did you attract the paper wasps? Just setting out the empty wood boxes? I had things that looked like yellow jackets where I lived in the west, but they were not ground dwelling. They would make paper nests like the one in your video, especially on our wooden fence. I personally did not find them very aggressive, working in the garden right next to their nests. I wish I knew the species better because I have read that these might have been non native and would rather encourage native species, but I wouldn't know how to attract them specifically. Could emphasis on planting native plants help, do you think?

  20. I do not remember seeing that dark form of paper-wasp in my area ATL, GA. I miss seeing the more yellow and brown form, and I see a more orange form in my area. I did not have any paper-wasp in my carport nor the eaves for the last few years. To many pesticide users around me I think. I leave them because i see them eating lots of caterpillars.

  21. I have the three main varieties of the paper wasps. The blacks you have, the reds and the ones painted like yellow jackets. Sometimes they will get nasty if you get too close but I am more so posting this in response to your comments and them and the bees relationships. I have seen them try to get into the hives and they have on occasion went into the hives which can cause all hell to break loose in a hurry. Mud daubers are more likely to do that though. These paper wasps do get thick on the feeders when feeding the bees sugar syrup as well as on the hummingbird feeders. They ever share the bees water supply most of the time. They also do have a taste for honey with out a doubt. They do however for the most part tolerate each other and feed on the same things, the bees can get irritable and attack each other at the feeders especially now in the fall and its getting worse but they leave these wasps pretty much alone.

  22. Maybe set the next ones up with a hive body on its side. screw one side on with an entrance and put a hinge on the other. be less of a drop risk when inspecting. I've had a nest 3 feet above my chair on the patio before and they are such chill babies. Is kinda interesting to sit down and have some of them do orientation flights when they drop down to go hunt. Sit in a chair by them when you take a break in the bee yard and I'm sure they'll stay used to you.

  23. Here in France we have, (since 2004) had Asian Hornets [vespa velutina] they aggressively attack yellow-jackets on the wing, but sadly they also kill honey bees and raid hives. Your paper-wasp idea might be the largest [vespa] that could currently guard an apiary, (though I suppose it won't be long before someone splices the paper-wasp temperament into a hornet germline.)

  24. Wow very interesting. Love to keep track of this paper wasp defense. I am not sure Australian paper wasps are so mellow, they definitely will come looking to sting close passersby. I am allergic to wasps and bees, not anaphylactic allergic but swell up and blood vessels near the sting break and bruise which leaves a large hot bruised lump that itches for weeks. I still find them all fascinating though and have been known to give exhausted bees a little honey when I find them on the ground.

  25. Greetigs from the Czech Republic! I really appreciate your videos – they are very educative and pleasure to watch and also very nicely shot! I have few questions to this topic- 1) How did you "persuade" the paper wasps to start their colony in the prepared hive ? 2) What breed of bees do you have ? Thank you!

  26. Just as you opened the top and they started coming out something flew towards my face. I almost broke my phone swatting at the screen until I realised it was only a regular house fly buzzing around. ?

  27. Fascinating experiment. I lost nine hives to yellow jackets last year, am looking forward to seeing if the paper wasps are effective.

  28. I did unsubscribe becouse i did ask you where did you buy you hygienic honey bees and you never answer me so you don't deserve my subscription i am going to stop watching your videos so long.

  29. Yep if don't answer a question from one of your subscriber that means you don't care so if you don't care you don't deserve to make money with my coments and subscritions so long.

  30. Great idea Frederick in keeping the yellowjackets at bay. Lots of paper wasps stayed inside there and how long have you managed beehives?

  31. Frederick,
    (Please excuse my name. Trying to get it changed.)
    Question: Maybe I missed this detail in the video or in the numerous comments below, but did these wasps voluntarily occupy this box, or did you introduce them to the box by transferring a brooding wasp nest from the garden (or from the wild) into the box?

  32. As much as I've disliked wasps until today, I think that is a great idea to hopefully deal with your yellow jacket issues. Thanks for the info and please continue to update with your progress with them, it's pretty fascinating. Hope May 2019 comes with a lot more of these guys and very few yellow jackets harassing your bees!

  33. Mr. Dunn, I just purchased 3 Flow Hives…and I have never worked with bees. We have lots of red wasps here on the small farm. What behavior should I expect from them if in the same vicinity of my bees. Do you have a video on installing NUCS in a Flow Hive? Thank you. Bill

  34. Mr. Dunn, can multiple Supers be used on a FLOW hive, or not? If so, what determines when the time is right to add the next one?

  35. Mr. Dunn, is there a relationship between the number of supers and the need for additional brood boxes also? Or, is hive growth experienced only by adding supers? Thank you. Bill

  36. That is a great experiment, where how did you find the paper wasp hive I would like to have one or two to help the honey bees drive away the yellow jackets

  37. Fred this is a fabulous video thank you. Regarding the Paper Wasps, I have no experience to contribute. But I do have a few questions, and a thought that I would love you to comment on. This relationship between the Honey Bees and Paper Wasps – is the advantage all to the Bees? That is, the Bees (hopefully) get some relief from the Yellow Jackets by intervention of the Paper Wasps. What advantage do the Paper Wasps get by being located in an Apiary?

    The comment is: It would seem that assuming this relationship proves useful to your bees – this is a tool that would be useful only to the backyard or hobby beekeepers. Commercial beekeepers – I don't know how they could take Paper Wasp hives on cross country trips with their bees. What do you think?

    Again, thank you for all you do to help the bees and the beekeepers. You are amazing.

  38. wow on the wasp I never knew that about the wasp. I thought all wasp would hurt my bees, Next time I seen paper wasp I wont remove them. I knew the yellow jackets are bad news. This was a great video again Thanks

  39. Hi Fred that's very interesting about the paper wasps here in Australia they are the only wasp that i keep away from the house because of previous run ins with them especially when their nest get's bigger .

  40. This is truly fascinating. I couldn't believe the paper wasps were docile when you approached, and especially when you disturbed the hive. I couldn't imagine this with yellow jackets or bald-faced hornets, as I've been stung by both (YJ 3 times and BFH once) ..without ever sighting a hive, and being out in the open.. away from any structures. Just once, when I was 5 or 6,playing outside next to a porch, I guess there was a YJ hive under it (never seen it) and I was 10 feet from the porch calling out to my cousin who was jumping up and down on the porch. I guess his stomping excited an already aggressive hive, and one came out and stung me in the eyeball. It swelled up until I couldn't open it. It was my first sting of any kind and my mother took me to a hospital because of that.. and to make sure I'd get my vision back, which I did. The other 3 wasp stings were for no reason I could see. Yes, I'm truly amazed there is a wasp that is this docile. Give them a chunk of meat for me. lol We need more of them and less YJs.

  41. I think that yellow jacket at the end was a queen. I think only queens have the dots on the abdomen, and the rest have only bands. It looks kind of like a European Hornet without the fur and thicker black bands toward the thorax.

  42. we have red wasps here and they will come after you in a heartbeat. Often the first time you know you are in their area is because you get stung so you go hunting for the nest. If you kill one you need to be ready to move because you'll have several more coming. I don't know if the dark ones you have there are just less aggressive or if the red ones are more so.

  43. That's a cool idea but you also taught me something that makes a lot of sense. We used to have a yellow jacket problem every summer until paper wasps moved in. After a week or two, the yellow jackets disappeared and haven't come back since and it's been years. Now we have papers wasps every summer and since they're non-aggressive and pollinators for our garden and flowers, I've always left them alone. But this explains the switch so thanks!

  44. Wow, what an idea. Wasps as the muscle to fend off other wasps. People always go to kill wasps and unless they are yellowjackets/bald faced hornets I say leave them be & they wont bother you. Let us know how it turns out this year with the bee hives and wasp hive!

  45. Are all paper wasps this same color pattern? I have some shaped like this in my yard, but they are bright yellow & black striped, and I'm wondering if they're also paper wasps…I haven't positively identified what they are yet, but they seem really to not care what our human activity is, and I've not seen them challenge the landing boards of my hives yet (I have seen it happen with yellow jackets, though).

  46. Jump to my "ongoing" wasp project here: 07:22 enjoy! How to House your own Paper Wasps:

  47. Lol, You can have all the red wasp from Mississippi, the are just plain mean, I kill them all the time, because they will sting people for just walking near their nest

  48. I have wasps like these that show up every year. They build their nest and have their babies with no trouble. I just let them do their thing. As long as they don't build where I have to access, thus disturbing their nest; they live happy little lives. They usually build on my back door and are not at all bothered by me.

  49. Very interesting. I may try this also. I’ve have been experimenting with predatory ants near my hives to control mites and small hive beetles. I have seen the ants carry off hive beetles and saw one with a mite in its mandibles. I don’t know if they are having an effect but my beetle traps have been empty the past two weeks. My mite count is low, only seen the one the ant had under the hive. The bees chase the ants from the entrance so they mostly grab stuff falling from the screened bottom board. They are the red ants with black abdomens and carpenter ants. The red ants really go for the beetles and other small stuff. The carpenter ants seem more interested in spilled sugar syrup.

  50. Putting Paper Wasps in amidst your Honeybees? Two words spring to mind: Excellent, and Ingenious! You, sir, are an innovator! Excellent video, and keep up the great work!

  51. Paper wasps are absolutely Gorgeous. I have pointed paper wasps out to others in my area when they are gathering nectar and mentioned their utility in pushing back the yellowjackets. Your knowledge has infected others beyond your channel to be sure. I have seen the staff where I am stop to enjoy the paper wasps instead of panicking and waving their arms now. Our local paper wasps thank you as do I.

  52. Great innovation sir. Incorporating paper wasp for bee hive protection. Im planning to learn bee keeping sir. I live in the tropics. In the Philippines to be exact. Is it viable to make bee hives in my place? What suitable or preferred environment do i need for the bees to thrive? Thank you. ^_^

  53. Very good reports, I love the smell of a healthy hive, it smells like Grandma is taking the bread out of the oven! I can smell that 1,000 feet down wind.

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