Gary Yourofsky – Q&A Session, Oakland Community College 2014

Gary Yourofsky – Q&A Session, Oakland Community College 2014


Okay alright so every time I bring up my veganism, people are always like, “can’t we just eat the animal after it dies of natural causes? Actually that is a loophole Just so you know, I wasn’t I wasn’t raised this way. I was a meat-eater even when I found out about it. I was like everyone else. I didn’t want to stop. Even though I was going to the slaughterhouses, I was crying and weeping. I was filming some of this stuff. I still was a stubborn addict. One night, I’m raking my brain. I’m like, Ahh, there’s got to be a loophole. How can we do this? *Gasp*, no slavery no murder Now, I’m always honest, so that is a loophole. you want to walk through the woods and find an old rabbit, an old squirrel, an old deer that died, I have no ethical objections. Now, I have a health concern, but as I said during the speech, I’m not the health police. You want to make yourself sick, I don’t give a shit. If you want to kill yourself, I think you’ve got a right to kill yourself. It’s your body. but here’s my dilemma with this and I’m going to… I want to tell you about this in a story. True story. So, there’s an animal sanctuary in Michigan called Sasha farm animal sanctuarie. It’s in Manchester. It’s about a half hour past Ann Harbor, maybe 35-40 minutes. About 2004, 2005, I’m heading up there with my friend Kate at the time. And as we’re driving up and getting closer to the sanctuary We see one of our sheep friends down in the field. We knew he was sick, and we knew this wasn’t good for him to be this far down in the field. We sped up. We ran out. We jumped out of the car. We ran out into the field and we got there and Sebastian was dead. Nobody harmed him. Nobody killed him. He was about 20 years old, had a nice life, had sheep and goat friends, horse friends, had a huge field. He was a happy guy. Monte who runs the farm with his wife dorothy sees us out in the field, so he comes out and realizes something’s wrong, so we’re standing there in silence. In silence! Morning him. I turned to Kate. She looked at me. I just went like this *raises head* and I turned around and start walking. She was right behind me. I walked to the barn, grabbed a shovel, gave her a shove, I took a shovel Monte, still standing there, he knew Sebastian better than we did. It’s his sanctuary. We would just visit over the summer. He sees us with the shovels. He’s like *nodes head* He goes and he gets the tractor to pick up Sebastian’s body. He meets us in the back of the sanctuary where we bury dead animals. We dug a hole and we put him in. Now, later on that day, when we felt like talking about it a little more I brought up, what you just brought up, what I just confirmed to you. I said hey, by the way guys, You know we could have had a barbecue today. We could have sheared him down, made some hats and blankets and gloves. They were shocked at me that I’m saying this. it’s like, “ok, I’m ok!” Nobody killed him. He died of old age. but Now that we were thinking logically, rationally, compassionately, we actually did the only thing that was proper at that moment. We saw a dead body and we buried it. A corpse is not food. It’s ridiculous what we’re putting into our bodies, and how we view animals. You see dead bodies, you’re supposed to bury them, put them back to the earth. How’d you get started? It was an accident I didn’t seek this out. I didn’t want to be hated by everybody I come into contact with My stepdad is a clown in a circus. He took me backstage in my twenties. I saw the elephants being abused backstage, living in chains, swaying erratically. By the way, all of the elephants in the back of a circus are chained up front left feet, back right feet chain in the cement floor and they all sway all day long like this. Just to show you how identical animals and humans are when it comes to pain and suffering and emotions, you guys know what children in orphanages do most of the time? They rock back and forth all day. Elephants don’t rock, they sway instead. Well the neuroses happens for the same reason. No love, no mother, no stimuli, no natural environment. I didn’t even know about the training which is vicious. I told my buddy Darren about what I saw at the circus the day before and he said, “if you think they mistreat elephants at the circus you should see what they do to pigs at the slaughter house.” I said, “what are you talking about?” He said, “I work five blocks from Thorn Apple Valley in Detroit, near eastern market. I smell death in the air every morning. I’ll call you in the morning when they start killing them.” I said, “Are you kidding me?” He said, “no.” “So call me tomorrow.” He called me at about 8 o’clock. He said, “they just started killing them.” I jumped in my car. 20 minutes later, I’m in Auschwitz. I’m on a slave ship… I don’t know any other proper analogies that can be made. You have living beings being treated like their lives don’t matter. their lives don’t count. Other beings are causing that intentional pain and suffering, mocking the pain and suffering, laughing at them. This is a holocaust of monumental proportions. I was still a stubborn meat eater though. I went there every day after that for 6 weeks. 2 to 6 hours every day because my mind wouldn’t let me grasp what I saw the day before, and if you think it’s rough to watch the video, and I’m not saying it’s not. I know some people turn away. Try being there when that’s happening. You don’t smell fear and death in a video Both have disgusting aromas, a disgusting stench of fear But I was stubborn like everyone else. I know what people are going through. even though my heart was hurting. I can see that it’s wrong. You don’t need to be a genius to figure out that this is Evil. I was still a stubborn addict. Now I always saw six or seven trucks full of pigs waiting to be called in and I would watch them as they pulled in. I never saw one pig ever willingly get off the truck. Never! not even close to it. In fact, if you go to a website, I think it’s the American pork councils website or something like that – pork industry council of America. They actually have a guide to opening up and running a pig slaughter house. I’m going to paraphrase. The first part is Pigs won’t get off the truck. They’re not stupid. They know what’s next. quote I want you to go on the truck with a poker, an electric prod, and shove it in their eye. They’ll move then. And that’s what I saw happening every day Shoving pokers into the eyes of living beings to make them walk to their own murder, not their own death! I don’t like saying death. Death you live a long life, and you die when you’re old. This is murder. How come Wendy’s doesn’t show that stuff in their commercials? About what they do to pigs on the truck, to get them off the truck, always lying to you. Anyways, um, I started talking about the elephants to the guys at the gym and not the pigs. Maybe deep down I knew that I was being a hypocrite. Even though meat eaters never want to admit that. But I would tell the guys about the elephants and they’d be like “what??” After a couple weeks though they started coming up. They said hey Yourofsky come here. We’ve been talking about you while you weren’t here. And we’ve determined that you’re a hypocrite. You scream about elephants being abused in the circus and you eat dead cows and pigs and chickens and turkeys and fish. What’s the difference? I was like everyone else. I know there’s a difference. but the difference is. I’m a grown-ass man and I don’t need to go to the circus every day or ever for the rest of my life, but I eat meat every day, three four times a day. That’s what’s different. I actually got to do something. It changed my life. Well, you see the choice I made. I was being a hypocrite. If you claim to care about justice, if you claim to be opposed to discrimination, If you claim to care about dogs and cats, rhinos being poached, but you’re eating meat, cheese, milk, eggs, and honey. You’re a walking contradiction. You’re loaded with hypocrisy, and I’m just going to ask people to take that out of your life. And I want to be clear about this. What humans do to animals is evil. It’s the pure definition of evil. Individually though, I don’t think most meat, dairy and egg eaters are evil people. They’re good people doing bad things. My best friend Darren, 36 years since we were 8 years old. He’s still not vegan. He’s not even… he’s a lazy bastard. And he says it. That’s why he’s still my buddy. He goes, Gary come on animals don’t deserve this. You can’t justify this, I’m too lazy to switch. What do you want? Well, I love his honesty. I hate his laziness. I hate this apathy, which is a big problem too, but it’s another issue to me. It doesn’t make you evil necessarily because you’re just apathetic. so I’m asking you guys just to get involved. Make a difference on this planet instead of sitting around and watching all the problems that are going on in the world. This really ticks me off, and it doesn’t matter what station, whether it’s Fox news or Cnn same as republican or democrat thing that I’m throwing out there. Everybody talks and talks and talks a good game and does nothing. the genocide in Darfur, homosexuals in Uganda being executed, women in Afghanistan don’t have equal rights. Yeah, I get that that’s all evil, so what are you going to do about it? What are you gonna do about it here? unless you get on a plane and go to Sudan, go to Afghanistan? Go, somewhere, you know, go to Uganda! You ain’t making a difference here. This is your chance to stand up to all the injustice going on in the world! You know what? I’m gonna do something about this injustice. I’ma stand up and oppose discrimination, oppose it three, four, five times a day. This is what makes veganism the best thing that you can ever do because you can do it all the time and stand up for what’s right. One of my favorite humans on this planet who passed away, Cesar Chaves, human rights activist for farm workers? Most people don’t know he was vegan. He wrote essays about it. You can look them up online. I’m gonna paraphrase but here’s what he basically said – I oppose discrimination and injustice that’s why I do what I do for the farm workers. How could I come home and consume discrimination and eat injustice? So I have to be vegan. If you claim to be a good-hearted person you have to get on this path You have to make this change. This is the world’s biggest massacre. These are the most abused, most oppressed beings that have ever lived, the world’s forgotten victims. another question Okay, remind me, you said that you were a Jew? And you said that you’re not opposed to God, you’re opposed to things that were dressed up as God? So what do you feel, what is your view on, um, the garden of Eden when Adam and Eve said that God clothed them with animal skins. First of all, these are stories. we don’t know exactly what happened there. The garden of Eden was a Vegan haven. It was a perfect Paradise and as I talked about God in pretty good detail during the speech, I don’t believe in books. God is not in a book. humans write books. These are our, you know, our theories about what happened. I know that God’s perfect Paradise is cruelty-free. That’s all I know and if God did decide to do something, well, I guess God can do whatever he wants. We’re not God. We certainly can’t be playing God which is what we do with the animals and with other human beings too. Keep in mind (the four) as much as I dislike books people like to talk about books so I’m going to throw a few things out there. The four most important words in that entire Bible in fact in the Koran and every religion Thou shalt not kill You can’t get around that. It’s not open for interpretation. Although, it’s been open for interpretation forever. Remember, we have excluded many human beings from the thou shall not kill mandate over the eons So um actually I want to show you something I never get to show this. I’ve been in Israel the last couple of years. My speech is very popular there. They put Hebrew subtitles on it. Let me just show you a three-minute clip This is me in Israel and by the way check out my bible and Jesus section if you want more detailed stuff. This is a three-Minute clip Speciesism is the first form of hatred humans are taught, way before racism sexism and heterosexism is taught, speciesism is the first form of hatred. Let’s eradicate that and then maybe we can eradicate all the other forms of hatred because I’ll tell you what. I know the way we’re doing it right now isn’t working. Eating meat cheese milk and eggs certainly isn’t making this world a better place. It’s making the world a worse place. Let’s make an effort. And as we talk about evolution by the way, I don’t want to force evolution on people out there that are creationist. Real quickly if you believe in creation, by Judaism, Christianity, or Islam Look no further than the garden of vegan. Oops, the garden of Eden that vegan haven where Adam and Eve were the first vegans on this planet, genesis 1:29 God’s first Dietary laws, I give you seed bearing plants for food. God’s last Dietary laws, I say The wolf will live with the lamb. The cow will feed with the bear. The Lion will eat straw like the ox, a child will lead them and no one will harm them. It is clear and unambiguous, the beginning and the end are and will be vegan. So why don’t we strive towards these perfect states. And for my religious friends that are out there, I learned a really valuable lesson last time I was here in Israel last September. They took me to see the holy city, Jerusalem. I say this with vehement Sarcasm because there ain’t nothing holy about it. Because as I walked into Jerusalem, first I passed three thousand vendors hawking items, “hey stars of David, crosses, bibles, korans, yamakas, what you need!” As I see unique materials, I’m grabbing everything and looking underneath, made in China, made in China, made in China. Yeah, that’s what everybody, that’s what God wants. Sell some stuff in my name. Then we got into the wailing wall area. Boy that was a treat because what did I see but 400 people standing infront of a fucking wall going like this *bowing* It’s a wall! You’re praying to a wall!!? God is not in a wall. He is not in a book. He is not in a star. I’ll tell you what God is in because I know what he’s in. God is in his creations. Howcome religious people refuse to worship anything that God made? But worship everything that we made in his name? Let a bible fall on the ground… oh but if an animal got in your way…”Kill him, kill that son of a bitch right now. Cut his horns off right now. Fuck him!” “Take his baby away. Screw him!” Every animal that god made God is inside of and if you kill animals, you are murdering God. and that is blasphemous and obscene. Wake up! I’ll tell you what. I believe in God. And I respect the things that God made the water, the air, the oceans, the forests, and his animals. It’s not asking too much. Stop doing rituals. God is not impressed with you if you have a really long beard by the way If you got a really big hat. Do you think God is like, “hey! Look at the guy with that hat on, that’s one of my most favorite creations.” The guy with the big hat. … That’s where the religious section was born. I do crack myself up sometimes. By the way, this is one of my favorite quotes too. I always gotta put this out there when we talk about God. A missionary was walking in Africa when he heard the ominous padding of a lion behind him. Oh Lord prayed the missionary. Grant thy goodness that the lion walking behind me is a good Christian lion and then in the silence that followed the missionary heard the lion praying as well. Oh Lord he prayed. We thank thee for the food which we are about to receive. Ain’t no fun when a rabbits got a gun. We’d all be singing a different story if we were the victims here. It’s time to love in the name of God by the way. Enough with the killing in the name of God. I think we can all agree that all religious people of all faiths have committed horrible atrocities in God’s name throughout the eons. This is just another one. Add it to the list. Add it to the list of horrible injustices that people commit in God’s name. What year was the Georgia tech speech? Georgia Tech was 2010 and by the way I did not even film that, nor did I post it. One of the students there did. I had been speaking for eight years doing lectures before that and never shared it with anybody. I’m also a solo activist. I personally don’t believe in working with other people. I don’t, I think it just brings you down. I think there’s too much paperwork and bureaucracy taking place. If you want something done right, do it yourself. That’s the adage and this is what I started doing and I started this in 2002 and if I, yeah it’s weird, because if that student never recorded and posted it. Man… I’m so glad that this kid Nathan did it. Because the latest stats right now in Israel, the Media in Israel is reporting that my speech has converted more than 10% of their population. So now that the speech has gone global, the Georgia Tech speech, the conservative estimate is that I’ve converted about a million people worldwide. When I was at the global climate march, more than one person sent me the link to your speech. Yeah, It’s really out there now, and what’s amazing or weird, or ironic. I don’t push it or promote it at all. Again, I know people don’t get this and everybody thinks everyone’s out for themselves. I never wanted fame. I never wanted fortune. I want people to listen so the animals have it better, but that’s it. I turned down three or four book offers over the years. What am I gonna say that hasn’t been written 10,000 times? There are already 10,000 books about animal rights. Why should I write one? Just to be selfish, there’s my book? Now, I do have a book. it’s my it’s my website. It’s my speech. I have audiobooks that no one else is doing, but I also turned down Ted. I turned them down twice in Israel. Too many rules. too many restrictions. I don’t… as you can probably tell, I don’t like rules. They wanted no slaughterhouse video. I said, well there ain’t gonna be no speech Well, okay, but you only get 20 minutes. That ain’t gonna work either. I do 40 minutes, and I do it my way. well, we wanna edit your stuff. Okay, you know what… I don’t need you guys… leave. Leave. tossed them out twice. So I honestly mean it, everything, when I say for free, my websites free. I don’t sell anything on my website. If I’m promoting a product, it’s because I really like that product. I’m not going to compensate from any of these companies. Although, I should. I spend… I promote the hell out of vegan food companies. They don’t give me shit. So how do you work and travel? The universe takes care of me. Here’s something maybe even weirder than that, from 2008 to 2010 before this guy jumped on board. I did know my sponsor. He was a meat, dairy, and egg eater. For three years, sponsored my vegan tour. This is why I work solo. The “animal rights movement” It’s just like all the other movements that are all fucked up. They can’t get past their own bureaucracy of BS and politics. Because I’m too “radical” the movement doesn’t support me… Because I’m too real and genuine… cause I’m not a politician because I don’t lie. I speak the truth. So the meat-eater saved the tour in 2008. It was amazing. I’ll tell you a real quick funny story. I knew of him because he had given me a $5,000 donation years before that. When I lost my donor in 2008 for the umpteenth time, I didn’t know who else to contact, so I’m like “hey Rich…umm remember that five grand you gave me a couple years ago. I’m not even sure I said thank you. Thank you! um any chance you want to give me about 70 grand so I could continue my tour.” I’m not a sales person as as you can tell. Really, that was the e-mail. He’s like, “okay can we get together to talk about this?” I said, “yeah, absolutely. Where are you at, where do you live?” He said, “Oh I’m in the San Francisco area.” I said, ” oh my God, I’m going to Saint Mary’s college in three weeks. It’s like half an hour away.” He said, “well, let’s go out to lunch.” So I meet up, we meet up at a vegan restaurant, so I’m still assuming he’s vegan. We sit down. He starts telling me about some Foie gras that he hate. That’s the pate. the duck liver. They shove a pole down the throat of a duck or a goose and force-feed them, like one of the sickest things we do to any animal. He’s telling me the story at the table and I’m going *hmmm* I don’t hide my emotions as you can probably tell too, so I’m just like, okay, in my head I’m going, don’t yell at him Gary. You might fuck your tour. But the other thing is, I’m just thinking okay, he’s telling you a joke. Calm down, wait for the punchline. And it was horrible, and it was so bad I sent it back! Now I’m realizing, no punch line is coming, and now, I’m like, in my head like oh my God! This duck had a steel pole shoved down his throat. You’re not even gonna eat it. You sent it back. Oh my… He sees it now in my eyes. He’s like oh… Did you think I was vegan? yeah… He said, “I’m not.” Well, yeah, I can tell that. Why are we here? It’s because you got the best speech I ever heard in my life. And even though I’m not vegan, I will be one day. And I think everybody should hear your message. wow I said, “so yes?” “Yes I will fund your tour.” ah haha No vegan stepped up to save the vegan tour, but the meat, dairy, and egg eater did. Now this is why I also say what I said before about most meat, dairy, and egg eaters are not evil people. Good people doing bad things. There’s another guy who admitted he’s going to be vegan. He knows outright. He knows this argument is correct. It’s just… You know, the time wasn’t right for him to make this change for whatever reason. Doesn’t let him off the hook. He still felt my wrath. He still heard me scream. – you know like I yell at everybody and go off on them, but um Another stubborn blocked vegan, I guess some people call them. Meat, dairy, and egg eaters who are just stubborn blocked vegans. Why is honey not vegan? Honey! Good question. If you go to my website, in the all about veganism section, really utilize that to find answers to the tons of things. Here’s a bees and honey section. Real quickly, most people don’t realize that bees are actually vomiting for a reason and I’m not being sarcastic when I say vomit. Honey is a regurgitation. So number one you should not be eating somebody else’s vomit Don’t tell me, ahh that’s no big deal because if I brought you a plate of food and sneezed on it first, you’d freak out. I see people at restaurants, vegan and non vegan restaurants. I see people. *Ahh there’s a piece of hair in my food* *Oh my God, a piece of hair* and then people are taking bottles of vomit going *hey let’s put this on my oatmeal, and on my cereal, man this is great!* Okay, it’s vomit. It is not food. Now, bees, drone bees, the worker bees will only vomit If the Queen bee is present at the apiary. I think most people know, apiaries are not enclosed environments. Not like a factory farm warehouse building where there’s 50,000 chickens inside where they can’t get out or fence around the cows where they can’t get out. Apiaries are open because the bees have to go out pollinate and come back. Ok, so how do you make sure though the queen bee always comes back and stays there? This is the sickest thing that we do to any animal, if you ask me to rank it on the cruelty, I don’t like to, cruelty is evil, but if you had me rank it. The worst thing we do at any animal happens at an apiary on a bee farm. They actually rip the wings off the queen bee. They rip the wings off. It would be like me cutting your legs off to listen to my speech. taking away somebody’s mode of transportation is evil and this is standard practice, you can go online. There’s a queen bee supply company. They actually order queen bees. They send them the queen bees in the mail in a ventilated box. As soon as they get the box they open it up. And they rip her wings off. So she stays there. Now, They also kill off the queen bees at around 3 years of age even though in the wild queen bees live until they’re five or six. Now we’re back to the Mass murder or to the murdering Just like cows in the dairy industry are killed off at three to seven even though cows can live to be 18 to 25. Always murdering these animals way before their lifespans are over, so that’s the main issue that’s going on there. We’re stealing something doesn’t belong to us and we’re harming the queen bees. Now, just so you know. They are vomiting for two reasons. One it’s insulation for their hive and it’s food for themselves or for their young especially during the winter. Cold cold cold season. Now if you go to this link – the bee industry is mean and murderous, there’s a link to an essay on that link from an Ohio State Animal agriculture professor James Tuw. I love getting research by the way from the abusers like that egg farmer I showed you They always admit the truth at some point. Every animal researcher will always say during their protocol essay. This could never be extrapolated to human beings. dadada. So they always admit the truth at some point. Well this guy, an animal agriculture professor by the way, does not care about animals. He teaches kids how to kill animals, how to enslave them and oppress them. This is what he said about the bee industry about the honey industry. He said historically beekeepers only took around 50% of the honey and left 50% as insulation for their hives, as food for their young. Now, stealing a little by the way doesn’t make it okay. It’s still theft. Then he went on to say nowadays beekeepers steal, he used the word steal, steal 100% of the honey and replace it with corn syrup and sugar syrup. Well if you’ve been following the news in the last five to ten years. The bees are dying off right? The bees are disappearing! what’s happening to the bees? Well, there’s a few things maybe we can look at. Pollution Maybe they’re suffering from all the pollution that we do to this planet and when the bees start to go, we’re not far behind. It is a warning sign. How about genetic modification? Maybe they’re landing on plants and crops that have been altered and the cells are coming in in a different way messing up you know their their brains, their you know their organs, but when I read that beekeepers are feeding bees high fructose corn syrup And we’re wondering why bees are dying off. You don’t have to look any further. Look what high fructose corn syrup does to us. What do you think it does to them? And one more thing too, this is such an unnatural product. Now as I say this, I don’t believe just because something is unnatural, I don’t think that that makes it wrong evil, or bad, like there are some raw Vegans who claim that cooking food is evil. Stupid. Now listen when you cook food, it’s true. You cook out nutrients. Think about broccoli that you boil in water. the water is green. I get that, but you haven’t turn it into sludge you just boil out some nutrients, right? That’s all it is. You’re just taking out some, but this is something that is unnatural And so bizarre. Let’s say you and I are walking through the woods, not in November. It was August. Smoking some purple diesel, some ojkiss, and you’re like man, holy shit Gary, there’s a hive with some honey. I’m going to be like Okay, good luck cuz I’m not going over there with you. Are you really gonna walk up to the hive and go *HEYY* You’re gonna get stung mercilessly. You never stick your hand in a bee hive! So, this does not belong in our diet whatsoever. Now, good news just like I talked about with the vegan burger, the vegan ribs, if you guys want a similar taste and texture of honey… Agave! Agave Nectar they sell it at every single grocery store. Yacon. it’s a root vegetable. They liquefy it and grind it up. It does the same thing as honey. There’s actually a rice honey that they’re actually making from rice to mimic the taste and texture, so keep in mind you don’t have to give up anything that you love to eat. When you become vegan, you just veganize everything. All right, you guys were great, honestly. Thank you so much for a nice pleasant Q&A I always like when people don’t turn it into a Jerry Springer show. So thank you very much for listening. you have my email address, you got my website, whatever you need I’m always here to help. Thank you very much!

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